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That's extremely offensive.
Those "poor womenz onoes" were also abused. Raped, beaten, molested. Any kind of abuse pisses anyone off. That's not an issue. More women speak up about their abuse than men do, and therefore more awareness and support is there for women. If men start speaking out, too, then more awareness will come about.
But pitying abused men by making offensive statements towards abused women is just fucking rude and dishonorable.
Go to hell.
Your statement is offensive to all abuse victims, both male and female. If you can say that about female abuse victims, then why do you have such a problem with people who tell men to just "be a man" about their abuse? That's just hypocritical.
Those "poor womenz onoes" were also abused. Raped, beaten, molested. Any kind of abuse pisses anyone off. That's not an issue. More women speak up about their abuse than men do, and therefore more awareness and support is there for women. If men start speaking out, too, then more awareness will come about.
But pitying abused men by making offensive statements towards abused women is just fucking rude and dishonorable.
Go to hell.
Your statement is offensive to all abuse victims, both male and female. If you can say that about female abuse victims, then why do you have such a problem with people who tell men to just "be a man" about their abuse? That's just hypocritical.
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As male myself, I can not fathom anyone abusing anyone regardless of their gender be it male OR female. There is no reason in this world for a man to abuse a woman, or a woman to abuse her man. Sadly I fear for my gender because men believe that they would be considered sissy if they reported abuse.
It's not always a case of men not reporting abuse. The problem is also with the social expectations attached to gender and the reaction of some people. Here are some choice phrases I and men I know have heard from various authorities (including the police):
"If you don't like being hit, why didn't you just stop her?"
"It's just a few bruises- don't be such a girl about it." (She shoved him down the stairs and sprained his wrist, actually.)
"You honestly expect me to believe you didn't want to sleep with your own girlfriend?"
"Are you this desperate for attention?" (This was a high school guidance counselor.)
"She says you hit her first, and I'm inclined to believe her." (It was her word against his, and she had no marks on her.)
"You're afraid of her? A stiff wind could knock her over. What's wrong with you?"
Some people do report it, but because they're men being abused by women, they're sometimes ridiculed for it, and in those cases nothing is ever done.
Not too long ago, women who tried to report their husbands for raping them were treated much the same way, only instead of it being a duty, now it's about being a disgrace to your gender simply by virtue of being a victim.
It's more complicated than just men being afraid to admit they've been victims- it's also the things that make them that afraid.
"If you don't like being hit, why didn't you just stop her?"
"It's just a few bruises- don't be such a girl about it." (She shoved him down the stairs and sprained his wrist, actually.)
"You honestly expect me to believe you didn't want to sleep with your own girlfriend?"
"Are you this desperate for attention?" (This was a high school guidance counselor.)
"She says you hit her first, and I'm inclined to believe her." (It was her word against his, and she had no marks on her.)
"You're afraid of her? A stiff wind could knock her over. What's wrong with you?"
Some people do report it, but because they're men being abused by women, they're sometimes ridiculed for it, and in those cases nothing is ever done.
Not too long ago, women who tried to report their husbands for raping them were treated much the same way, only instead of it being a duty, now it's about being a disgrace to your gender simply by virtue of being a victim.
It's more complicated than just men being afraid to admit they've been victims- it's also the things that make them that afraid.
And because women speak up you think that they are the bigger victims. Men have to live up to be "The Man"
Anything that will break what they are grown up to be is seen as a weakling.
Men have it worse. Women have it good. Women can beat themselves up and say that their husband did it and win.
Anything that will break what they are grown up to be is seen as a weakling.
Men have it worse. Women have it good. Women can beat themselves up and say that their husband did it and win.
I know a male who is in an emotionally abusive relationship and has always been in emotionally abusive relationships. Unfortunately, it's not something that I can easily bring to his attention (as I have tried before). Like with most emotionally abused individuals, he doesn't see anything wrong with his relationship.
Yes. Less light is shed on the abuse of males. It doesn't make it any less serious or any less tragic. Gender is irrelevant when it comes to abuse.
People always say that love knows not gender, race, creed, etc., but neither does abuse and all its forms.
Yes. Less light is shed on the abuse of males. It doesn't make it any less serious or any less tragic. Gender is irrelevant when it comes to abuse.
People always say that love knows not gender, race, creed, etc., but neither does abuse and all its forms.
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It's true. I know a lot of guys that are abused verbally and mentally by their girlfriends. It's a horrible thing, and they never wanna talk about it, but you know that it happens, you know? And watching it makes you feel even worse for them.
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fineheart234 wrote:And because women speak up you think that they are the bigger victims. Men have to live up to be "The Man"
Anything that will break what they are grown up to be is seen as a weakling.
Men have it worse. Women have it good. Women can beat themselves up and say that their husband did it and win.
...Please tell me you don't honestly believe this bullshit? Women have it good in comparison to men? That's so absurd I can't even comprehend how stupid you have to be to believe that. For one, women (around the world) are more likely to be raped, beaten, maimed, molested, or killed just for being a woman. SO A VERY, VERY SMALL AMOUNT OF WOMEN MIGHT TRY TO GET THEIR HUSBANDS PUT IN JAIL FOR BEATING THEM WHEN THEY DIDN'T? 10X MORE WOMEN ARE MURDERED BY THEIR HUSBANDS. Isn't that the MORE IMPORTANT statistic? Yes it's unfortunate for the handful of men affected, but I really doubt many women have ever done that, or that it would actually hold up in court most of those times. It is virtually impossible for a person to beat a lie detector, much less keep their story straight under pressure from a remotely competent defense attorney.
So no. In a general sense, men do not have it worse at all. I've never met a man who carried mace with him to protect him from being raped while walking home at night. I've never met a man who genuinely feared for his safety whenever he was around a large group of men who had nothing against him. I've never met a man who was drugged and taken advantage of at a school party.
I've met several women who fit some or all of these categories.
Are there men who are raped, abused, molested, and murdered without provocation by other men or women? Yes. Yes there are. Do they outnumber the women who are raped, abused, molested, and murdered without provocation? No. Not hardly.
Women are not the "bigger victims", every victim is a victim. No one person is any more important than another, and I don't think anyone here was implying such. Women are just more commonly victims because almost every male in the world is brought up either outright being taught that women are there to serve them and nothing more, or being told that subliminally through the culture.
I do strongly believe there should be more effort to give men equal treatment in abuse cases as women get, but the issue stands that a lot of WOMEN are still being ignored in cases of domestic abuse and rape. In general, the American system of criminal "justice" has been in need of a major overhaul for decades. Don't blame women for that.
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Xerxies wrote:Believe me I am aware of this.fineheart234 wrote:And because women speak up you think that they are the bigger victims. Men have to live up to be "The Man"
Anything that will break what they are grown up to be is seen as a weakling.
Men have it worse. Women have it good. Women can beat themselves up and say that their husband did it and win.
...Please tell me you don't honestly believe this bullshit? Women have it good in comparison to men? That's so absurd I can't even comprehend how stupid you have to be to believe that. For one, women (around the world) are more likely to be raped, beaten, maimed, molested, or killed just for being a woman. SO A VERY, VERY SMALL AMOUNT OF WOMEN MIGHT TRY TO GET THEIR HUSBANDS PUT IN JAIL FOR BEATING THEM WHEN THEY DIDN'T? 10X MORE WOMEN ARE MURDERED BY THEIR HUSBANDS. Isn't that the MORE IMPORTANT statistic? Yes it's unfortunate for the handful of men affected, but I really doubt many women have ever done that, or that it would actually hold up in court most of those times. It is virtually impossible for a person to beat a lie detector, much less keep their story straight under pressure from a remotely competent defense attorney.
So no. In a general sense, men do not have it worse at all. I've never met a man who carried mace with him to protect him from being raped while walking home at night. I've never met a man who genuinely feared for his safety whenever he was around a large group of men who had nothing against him. I've never met a man who was drugged and taken advantage of at a school party.
I've met several women who fit some or all of these categories.
Are there men who are raped, abused, molested, and murdered without provocation by other men or women? Yes. Yes there are. Do they outnumber the women who are raped, abused, molested, and murdered without provocation? No. Not hardly.
Women are not the "bigger victims", every victim is a victim. No one person is any more important than another, and I don't think anyone here was implying such. Women are just more commonly victims because almost every male in the world is brought up either outright being taught that women are there to serve them and nothing more, or being told that subliminally through the culture.
I do strongly believe there should be more effort to give men equal treatment in abuse cases as women get, but the issue stands that a lot of WOMEN are still being ignored in cases of domestic abuse and rape. In general, the American system of criminal "justice" has been in need of a major overhaul for decades. Don't blame women for that.
Yes in other countries! But what about america?
I have heard from tons of feminists about america and how they want to end the problems here. Though never any other country. I have only heard from one. Thats it.
I am aware of the problems that women go through also. I am not blind. Though I have witness women using the fact that they are women to give my uncles hell.
My uncles got abused. They had claw marks all down their necks. They called the cops they got arrested. Because the girls said that my uncles hit them. They made themselves bruises. I witness this.
I don't exactly like women because of how they pretty much fucked my family over. And ditched their newborns.
So maybe half of my posts is just blinded by hate. Though I really don't know.
fineheart234 wrote:Believe me I am aware of this.
Yes in other countries! But what about america?
I have heard from tons of feminists about america and how they want to end the problems here. Though never any other country. I have only heard from one. Thats it.
I am aware of the problems that women go through also. I am not blind. Though I have witness women using the fact that they are women to give my uncles hell.
My uncles got abused. They had claw marks all down their necks. They called the cops they got arrested. Because the girls said that my uncles hit them. They made themselves bruises. I witness this.
I don't exactly like women because of how they pretty much fucked my family over. And ditched their newborns.
So maybe half of my posts is just blinded by hate. Though I really don't know.
Yes, in America. In America, women are still raped, beaten, abused, maimed, and murdered just for being there and being a woman. This problem has not stopped, in fact it could be argued that misogyny is gaining speed once again in American culture as more and more men are losing their jobs and being angry at women for "taking" them, regardless if that woman is more competent, and as more women are becoming vastly more successful than men (as a comparison to 20-30 years ago, when a woman could hardly attain success without vast personal sacrifices).
While your personal experience is completely valid and unfortunate, that is not the case with the larger population. Basing an entire worldview on only your narrow personal experience is not always the best course of action. I've been abused by almost every man in my life, through no fault of my own except not having a dick, and I still don't believe every single man is bad because I know that my own experience does not apply to the vast majority of the population.
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I've been emotionally abused by most of the women I've met in my life. And it really hurts. All it does is make you mistrust good women that you do meet later in life. It's but it's something that I work on. Not every woman you meet is out to hurt you and same goes for men.
Social expectations have a lot to do with why female-on-male abuse is under-reported and diminished in media attention. In the same way that rape victims are often blamed for being raped, men who are abused by women in their lives are blamed for not stopping the abuse, as if it were simply that easy.
A man is expected to be able to stop a woman from doing anything he wants to stop her doing-- maybe not explicitly, but it's generally implied in Western (and most worldwide) cultures that men are not men if they are incapable of controlling women-- even if they accept the idea that they shouldn't be allowed to do exactly that. If a woman hits a man, people ask why he didn't stop her, as though he, being a man, could simply do that.
Feminism as a movement needs to be (and often is!) ready to defend abused men. Women will not be seen as equals to men until we accept ALL the aspects of equality, including the reality of women being just as capable of violence, abuse, rape, and everything else that men can be blamed for.
A man is expected to be able to stop a woman from doing anything he wants to stop her doing-- maybe not explicitly, but it's generally implied in Western (and most worldwide) cultures that men are not men if they are incapable of controlling women-- even if they accept the idea that they shouldn't be allowed to do exactly that. If a woman hits a man, people ask why he didn't stop her, as though he, being a man, could simply do that.
Feminism as a movement needs to be (and often is!) ready to defend abused men. Women will not be seen as equals to men until we accept ALL the aspects of equality, including the reality of women being just as capable of violence, abuse, rape, and everything else that men can be blamed for.
Feminists are sexist. They're sexist against men.
Women like that really piss me off.
I understand that they're standing up for a good reason, and I stand for the same reason, but I don't like HOW they stand up for it.
I agree that domestic violence goes both ways, and it's unfair towards men. In my state, if a man calls the cops because his girlfriend is beating him, or anything like that, HE goes to jail. Not the woman. No matter what, the MAN always gets arrested here, and I don't like that.
Women like that really piss me off.
I understand that they're standing up for a good reason, and I stand for the same reason, but I don't like HOW they stand up for it.
I agree that domestic violence goes both ways, and it's unfair towards men. In my state, if a man calls the cops because his girlfriend is beating him, or anything like that, HE goes to jail. Not the woman. No matter what, the MAN always gets arrested here, and I don't like that.
Bloody Mary wrote:I agree with everything you just said.Feminists are sexist. They're sexist against men.
Women like that really piss me off.
I understand that they're standing up for a good reason, and I stand for the same reason, but I don't like HOW they stand up for it.
I agree that domestic violence goes both ways, and it's unfair towards men. In my state, if a man calls the cops because his girlfriend is beating him, or anything like that, HE goes to jail. Not the woman. No matter what, the MAN always gets arrested here, and I don't like that.