View topic - If she's drunk it's rape.
It's true. Someone who is legally intoxicated cannot legally provide consent. They can't sign a contract, either. But whenever sex happens without consent, it is rape pure and simple. That's part of the reason for those very high rape statistics for the United States. The whole one in four women will be raped, largely refers to this.
I, for one, agree with this concept. And point out that it goes both ways. A drunk man with a sober woman is also rape. Any time people are in an altered mental state they shouldn't be put in that situation.
What do you think?
By this definition have you been raped?
By this definiiton have you raped someone?
If you disagree, what alternative do you suggest?
I, for one, agree with this concept. And point out that it goes both ways. A drunk man with a sober woman is also rape. Any time people are in an altered mental state they shouldn't be put in that situation.
What do you think?
By this definition have you been raped?
By this definiiton have you raped someone?
If you disagree, what alternative do you suggest?
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By this definition I have been raped, apparently.
Though since I clearly gave my consent and it was together with my boyfriend I ofcourse don't feel that is was rape.
In my oppinion it isn't rape until someone in the situation says "no" and the other person doesn't stop (ofcourse assuming that the person is awake to be able to say "no").
In cases when you have to decide if something was rape and when someone is intoxicated I don't think you can make a special "rule" that applys to every single situation. You have to decide on a case to case basis.
Though since I clearly gave my consent and it was together with my boyfriend I ofcourse don't feel that is was rape.
In my oppinion it isn't rape until someone in the situation says "no" and the other person doesn't stop (ofcourse assuming that the person is awake to be able to say "no").
In cases when you have to decide if something was rape and when someone is intoxicated I don't think you can make a special "rule" that applys to every single situation. You have to decide on a case to case basis.
Legally, it doesn't matter what you said. After all, you weren't qualified to give that consent. I mean, an unconcious individual can be raped even if they don't say "no".
You say I wasn't qualified, but I thought the whole point with this thread was to discuss if one would feel that they were?
Why is it that after a beer one is qualified to drive a car but not to decide if one wants to have sex?
I believe I did mention that a person would have to be awake to be able to give their consent ;3
Why is it that after a beer one is qualified to drive a car but not to decide if one wants to have sex?
I believe I did mention that a person would have to be awake to be able to give their consent ;3
You can't drive a car when legally intoxicated. I'm not exactly following.
Well, I'm just pointing out that "She didn't say no" isn't the same as "She said yes".
Well, I'm just pointing out that "She didn't say no" isn't the same as "She said yes".
I think it depends, such as how Pixie was with her boyfriend.
If you're ina relationship witht he perosn, I wouldn't call it rape. Unless of course this relationship is on the rocks and there ahsn't been sex for a while then suddenly there is thanks to alcohol.
Other than the whole relationship thing though, I agree.
Someone who is intoxicated (Not everyone, but for some people.) is not in control of themselves and therefor their word doesn't count.
I for one don't get out of control when drunk, but I know some friends that will do things they would never ever, EVER, agree to when sober.
If you're ina relationship witht he perosn, I wouldn't call it rape. Unless of course this relationship is on the rocks and there ahsn't been sex for a while then suddenly there is thanks to alcohol.
Other than the whole relationship thing though, I agree.
Someone who is intoxicated (Not everyone, but for some people.) is not in control of themselves and therefor their word doesn't count.
I for one don't get out of control when drunk, but I know some friends that will do things they would never ever, EVER, agree to when sober.
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AntiStar wrote:What if a drunk individual takes overpowers and advantage of a sober individual instead of the other way around?
Please, think that through and theroughly explain to me how that is possible.
How an intoxicated, somewhat disfunctional person can take advantage of a fully functional and rational person.
How an intoxicated, somewhat disfunctional person can take advantage of a fully functional and rational person.
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I understand what you're saying.. and I believe in a court of law, your theory would be thought to be quite accurate.
I wouldn't exactly call it rape though.. I think it's a case-to-case thing.
And anyone who cannot make good decisions when they drink, should not drink. Plain and simple.
Nemphis: Sometimes alcohol can boost up an individual's testosterone.. giving them the strength to over-power someone.
I wouldn't exactly call it rape though.. I think it's a case-to-case thing.
And anyone who cannot make good decisions when they drink, should not drink. Plain and simple.
Nemphis: Sometimes alcohol can boost up an individual's testosterone.. giving them the strength to over-power someone.
Yes, overpowering I can understand, but taking advantage of?
If they're in the right might it's just plain brutal rape, no taking advantage required.
Well, guess it depends on what you consider 'taking advantage of'.
To me, that's manipulation. Overpowering isn't the same in my mind. owo;
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If they're in the right might it's just plain brutal rape, no taking advantage required.
Well, guess it depends on what you consider 'taking advantage of'.
To me, that's manipulation. Overpowering isn't the same in my mind. owo;
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consent is consent drunk or otherwise
i really hate with all fiber of my being, when people mess around with rape and
start making acceptations OR adding to what it is like this!
Drunk doesn't necessarily make someone suddenly incapable of deciding anything
if they're lucid enough to be having sex and consent then it's perfectly fine
however if they're drugged, forced or have not given consent, it's rape plain and simple.
Nemphis wrote:AntiStar wrote:What if a drunk individual takes overpowers and advantage of a sober individual instead of the other way around?Please, think that through and theroughly explain to me how that is possible.
How an intoxicated, somewhat disfunctional person can take advantage of a fully functional and rational person.
Well if they're bigger and/or stronger...
Why the exception for alcohol. I mean, it IS a drug.
See, the problem I have with this is, then why do they allow people to operate machines when it's against the law to be out of ones mind when doing so.
My brother's father was killed in an accident, completely not his fault because the driver of the truck behind him had prescription meds he had to take but was what ultimately caused his fathers death.
There are too many loop holes for this theory to apply to everyday and all situations. A man can be raped, not disputing that in the least, but it is said since most men have a higher alcohol tolerance and such, it isn't deemed as high on the 'rape scale' because they tend to be able to deal with themselves better.
Again, too many loop holes and what if for everything to make sense and to just say 'this is it: period'.
Dawnie;; I don't believe that's true at all because some people change when they're intoxicated. A friend of mine, when she gets drunk, she becomes the most trusting person in the world. You could tell her to jump off a bridge and she'll do it because she believes you're doing it for the good of her.
People have tried to take advantage of her before.
My brother's father was killed in an accident, completely not his fault because the driver of the truck behind him had prescription meds he had to take but was what ultimately caused his fathers death.
There are too many loop holes for this theory to apply to everyday and all situations. A man can be raped, not disputing that in the least, but it is said since most men have a higher alcohol tolerance and such, it isn't deemed as high on the 'rape scale' because they tend to be able to deal with themselves better.
Again, too many loop holes and what if for everything to make sense and to just say 'this is it: period'.
Dawnie;; I don't believe that's true at all because some people change when they're intoxicated. A friend of mine, when she gets drunk, she becomes the most trusting person in the world. You could tell her to jump off a bridge and she'll do it because she believes you're doing it for the good of her.
People have tried to take advantage of her before.
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Well I'm allowed to drive with two beers in my body and that would make me intoxicated, right?
There are such things as caffeine or water intoxications. Should people not be allowed sex after drinking alot of coffee or water?
I think you can only call it rape when there is a victim.
Well I'm allowed to drive with two beers in my body and that would make me intoxicated, right?
There are such things as caffeine or water intoxications. Should people not be allowed sex after drinking alot of coffee or water?
I think you can only call it rape when there is a victim.